Episode 71

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26th Oct 2026

Making 'Send The Rain' — With Directors Hayley Gray & Kaayla Whachell

Why do so many Canadian independent films struggle to break through internationally? And what does it actually take to get a feature film made in Canada?

This week on Off The Lot, we're joined by filmmakers Hayley Gray and Kaayla Whachell, the co-writers and co-directors of Send the Rain, which recently had its world premiere at the Vancouver International Film Festival (VIFF).

What started as an award-winning short film became a feature about family, responsibility, and the pull of home, set against the threat of a wildfire in British Columbia.

We get into the realities of taking a short film to feature length, navigating financing and shrinking budgets, and what happens when two directors share creative control over the same movie.

But the conversation also goes much further.

We tackle some bigger questions about Canadian filmmaking: Why do our films struggle to reach international audiences? Are we developing the wrong production habits? And how do we build a sustainable independent film industry when filmmakers are constantly being asked to sacrifice their own time and money?

In this episode, we discuss:

  • Turning an award-winning short into a feature film
  • The challenges and advantages of co-directing
  • Securing financing through the Canadian film system
  • Making creative decisions when the budget gets smaller
  • Directing non-professional actors and finding authentic performances
  • Why Canadian films struggle to find international audiences
  • The relationship between Canada's service production industry and independent filmmaking
  • Building a positive, collaborative film set
  • What first-time feature directors should know before getting started

Whether you're developing your first feature, navigating film financing, or trying to build a sustainable career as an independent filmmaker, this conversation offers a candid look at what it takes to get a movie made.

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Indie Film Success On Your Own Terms
Off The Lot is where serious indie filmmakers level up. Hosted by Ken Kabatoff and Anthony Epp, this podcast delivers real, hard-earned lessons from the frontlines of independent filmmaking. Each episode is a masterclass — featuring directors, producers, and creatives who are in the trenches, making movies happen without a safety net. If you want actionable insights, unfiltered conversations, and the blueprint to build your own career outside the studio system — this is the show.
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Ken Kabatoff

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Ken Kabatoff is an accomplished writer and director with over seventeen years of experience in the film industry, delivering high-quality stories to millions of viewers.

Starting in 2016, Ken wrote for the critically acclaimed sci-fi Netflix series, Travelers, where he became co-producer. In 2020, he was nominated for the “Best Drama” Writers Guild of Canada Award for his final episode.

After directing multiple short films that have screened for tens of thousands of people around the world, Ken was awarded the prestigious Directors Guild of Canada BC Emerging Greenlight award to direct a deeply personal short film titled, The Doukhobor. The film is now on the festival circuit, allowing Ken to focus on his feature directorial debut, Remnant.

Anthony Epp

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Anthony Epp is a filmmaker, producer, and director with experience in both independent and studio filmmaking in Vancouver. His passion for high-stakes storytelling and hands-on production expertise has made him a driving force in indie cinema.

He began his career with the documentary Unspoken Rules (2009) and later directed 13 Miles, a character-driven sports drama. Currently, he’s developing The Quiet Canadians, an espionage thriller blending real-world intrigue with grounded action.

Anthony has worked as an Assistant Director on award-winning films like Seagrass (2023) and The Island Between Tides (2024) and served as Production Manager on Ruthless Bastards, starring Sean Patrick Flanery. His background in entertainment law gives him a strategic edge in film production.

As co-host of Off The Lot, Anthony shares industry insights, practical advice, and real-world experiences from the world of indie filmmaking.